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Amazing Grace's SO Journal

Postby AmazingGrace on Sun Dec 23, 2007 7:53 pm


This is my journal, and as such requires a more gentle response than on the general boards. :)


Link to my old journal: http://lightwave.proboards48.com/index.cgi?board=journal&action=display&thread=1188920113
If you're interested in where DH & I have come from, our history is shared there.

December 23, 2007
Well, the holidays are upon us. DH worked this weekend, and only has Christmas Eve off, then works Christmas Day and Wednesday. Needless to say, with Daddy working or sleeping and no preschool the next two weeks, Babymazing & I are at each other's throats. He did fall asleep with his head on my lap while I knitted downstairs, so I've had a little "me" time for the last hour and a half or so, in which I accomplished very little except remaking my old ticker and finding myself an appropriately "beachy" avatar.

The last few weeks, I've been scarce on the board. This is actually because the board helped create a financial crisis in my little life (I know, one must accept responsibility for one's own actions).

At the end of August, my husband had tried my last Amazing Grace-filled nerve. We'd been on this "recovery" journey since April, which still consisted of numerous lapses into p & mb for him. Not the nightly affair it had been, but still too much for me (since I'd told him to choose between p or me). I found No-Porn.com and downloaded the Ten Keys book (read the whole thing in one afternoon). From then until recently, spending time on N-P pretty much daily had become a habit for me.

Unfortunately, I was spending time on the board when I should have been knitting & sewing to further my home business, which funds my son's pre-school tuition and my own occasional purchases: taking the family out to eat, my gym membership, website hosting fees, etc. I didn't bring in any money in the months of October or November, so I started to become indebted to our Home Equity Line of Credit. I've never not paid off a credit card, so this was definitely not something either DH or I usually do. At 8% interest it may not be exactly the same as a credit card, but each month with Pre-school tuition and then my credit card, I was drawing more and from the HELOC.

I finally had to decide for myself that during the hours I'm paying to have my son at pre-school, I will not spend time on N-P. I also had found myself somewhat "voyeuristically" reading almost every new "Hi, this is my story" post on the general and recovering addicts boards, and I was taking away some of the frustration I felt at seeing more new names, more hurt women, and turning that irritation towards my own DH, who has only had one slip since August 28.

The happy end of the story is that I finally got my behind in gear, posted things on my website & eBay, and have set aside tuition for next month, payment for my coming Visa bill, and have paid down the HELOC loan from almost $2000 to $235.

The money thing has created some strain between DH & myself. I thought he knew what was going on (I had told him some half-truths along the way), but the secrecy and my use of the HELOC as my personal piggy bank was really disturbing to him. I finally realized yesterday that he needed complete honesty from me, so I went though my financial records and typed up a two page explanation of how I'd gotten here and what I'd done to fix it and prevent it from happening again. He, in turn, apologized for accusing me of "embezzling" money from our family and "stealing" from us. (That was a lovely discussion!)

My in-laws are coming into town for the weekend after Christmas, and much of this week will be spent clearing out the guest room which serves as my work room most of the time. Since we haven't had any guests since the beginning of August, that's going to be a chore!

Well, it's obvious I haven't had a chance to "talk" much recently. I'm looking forward to having the old board close, just so that everyone moves over and I'm not so confused about where I need to be posting!
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My new recovery journal--http://tinyurl.com/3brwtn

Age: 36
Rel'p stats: together 17 years, married 13 years
DH's Most Recent Relapse: August 6, 2008
First D-day: April 6, 2007
SO recovery: more active than it's been in the past--RN workshop
My recovery: active-ish--RN workshop, posting & visiting here
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Re: Amazing Grace's SO Journal

Postby Hephzibah on Sun Dec 23, 2007 10:32 pm

I'm really impressed at your honesty and how you are changing the financial dynamics. I think that is awesome that you took the high, challenging road and saw differences happen. I certainly understand putting life on hold to read NP - God has convicted me of that several times and I do well for a while and then backslide a bit. Now I'm quilting again (finished a bed quilt today - 2nd one made this month) and am striving to take back my own life and live it in the way that I feel God wants me to.

May you have a blessed and relaxing Christmas and an enjoyable time with your in-laws next weekend.

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Re: Amazing Grace's SO Journal

Postby AmazingGrace on Mon Dec 31, 2007 6:58 pm

December 31, 2007

Well, it's my last chance to post in the "old" year, so I figured I'd catch my journal up.

I've just recently been to a naturopath. I had a urine test done to check on my brain chemical balance, and wasn't too surprised to discover that things are quite out of balance. I'm starting to take some amino acid supplements (basically just proteins) that will re-balance my brain chemicals. It was almost funny to sit with the naturopath as she listed out all the side effects of low seratonin (few good feelings, cravings), low adrenaline (over-reaction to stressful events, reactionary, low energy) and high dopamine (symptoms of ADD! lack of focus, difficulty changing tasks, etc.) Just doing something about it is making me feel better already.

I'm also doing some things to get my hormones back in balance. After a two-week irritable phase (My body doesn't react well to progesterone therapy), I'm a little easier to live with. DH is still p & mb free (since October 7--that's 85 days) even after all that non-getting-along. That's something.

I've been record-keeping in my journal since April 6, our first D-Day. I know the Bible says "Love keeps no record of wrong" but it was a way for me to gauge our (okay, his) improvement/progress. I noted dates of slips (looking at p, which I assumed also included mb). I also recorded our times of sexual intimacy. One of my personal recovery choices was to not be "lazy" about connecting physically. It's discouraging to me when DH doesn't make an effort to connect with me emotionally (conversation, affection), and he feels discouraged and disconnected from me when I don't make an effort to be available physically at regular intervals.

That whole explanation was just to say, that FINALLY, of the last four months of record keeping, I was able to draw three zeroes with rays of sunshine around them--no porn in September, November, and December. After porn 2-5 times a week for the last twelve years, that's an improvement!

With me, I feel like I've finally arrested the weight gain that happened the last month. The nutrition calculator on Sparkpeople.com has been helpful to me--probably need to do it for a few weeks to get myself aware of how many calories I can consume in an unhealthy day and how to eat the small amount I need in order to lose weight.

This morning I went out with some girlfriends for brunch. We hired a babysitter for our pre-schoolers and even had a little leftover time for some shopping after breakfast.

AND the best thing is that on Thursday, I paid off not only the last bit of that loan, but also paid an extra $150 on my business loan.

Feeling positive, and ready to start 2008 in a good frame of mind.
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My old recovery journal--http://tinyurl.com/2tnaja
My new recovery journal--http://tinyurl.com/3brwtn

Age: 36
Rel'p stats: together 17 years, married 13 years
DH's Most Recent Relapse: August 6, 2008
First D-day: April 6, 2007
SO recovery: more active than it's been in the past--RN workshop
My recovery: active-ish--RN workshop, posting & visiting here
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Re: Amazing Grace's SO Journal

Postby AmazingGrace on Sat Jan 05, 2008 1:11 am

January 4, 2008

It's so natural to type 2007! Had to backspace there.

I have so little to share these days. I stare at the discussions on the partners forum and either get discouraged or bewildered. What has worked for us seldom gets a positive response when I offer it as advice, so I offer it less and less. The attitudes I see would not have encouraged and supported my husband to make a lasting change. I begin to assume that my own situation must be extremely different from the average situation--there must be a lot more husbands who are not "good-willed" men who slipped into a pit of sin. Are all of these other men narcissists and pathological liars--at times it sounds like it. From the partners I hear so much negativity, and very little acceptance of responsibility. When we as wives point the finger at our husbands for their "awful" behavior, it seems difficult for us to accept whatever responsibility we had for the dysfunction in our marriage. I know what my role was. I was unclear about my sexual boundaries before marriage; allowed myself to have emotional affairs during marriage, and became very lazy about initiating intimacy. I was disrespectful toward my husband, which did not encourage him to have feelings of affection towards me.

He's taking care of his part of the dysfunction; I'm taking care of my part. We read a marriage book together, went to a marriage retreat. Nothing amazing. Guess it has been almost nine months since our original D-Day, and there has been a lot of struggle in between then and now. But I'm beginning to doubt my "use" on this board, and what "use" the board continues to have for me. I mostly leave feeling negative; not lifted up. I mostly get caught up in the negative posts, and rarely offer positive advice. I just don't know.

Things are comfortable with DH. We're kinder & gentler with each other, make intimacy a priority, and seem to resolve conflicts much more quickly than in the old days. He's still p & mb free after almost three months, which has had a great impact on our sex lives. No sign of the old "ED"--which really had nothing to do with a dysfunction of something physical and was completely caused by his "P&MB" habit.

Okay, guess I should sign off after this entry with a new name:

Amazing Judgementalness :)
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My old recovery journal--http://tinyurl.com/2tnaja
My new recovery journal--http://tinyurl.com/3brwtn

Age: 36
Rel'p stats: together 17 years, married 13 years
DH's Most Recent Relapse: August 6, 2008
First D-day: April 6, 2007
SO recovery: more active than it's been in the past--RN workshop
My recovery: active-ish--RN workshop, posting & visiting here
Kids: 5 year old son
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Re: Amazing Grace's SO Journal

Postby Hephzibah on Sat Jan 05, 2008 10:47 am

Hi AG,

I've been feeling the negativity on the board lately, too; and I realize I've been adding to it. God really whopped me with the Word last night and realized I've been forgetting the fruit of kindness and gentleness when I post. For me, I need to stay off the negative posts (reading or posting) and just stick with giving healing balm to the newbies and reading the journals. Yeah, a post may turn from a negative to a positive - but, it can do that without my knowledge if I've decided not to read it. Oh, the little "I don't want to be left out" or "I wanna know; I wanna know; I wanna know...." that begs inside of me will just have to come under the fruit of self-control. I think of Joyce Meyer - she said she use to feel that "gotta' know" way and then God changed her heart's desire to "I don't wanna know because then I'll have responsibilities and have to keep a right attitude concerning those facts. God, I only wanna' know what you want me to know."

I agree, I don't think recovery is a one size fits all. At times I feel self-pity. I rejoice that many PAs have realized their PA is wrong and made steps to fix it; unfortunately, there are men (like my husband) who require gentleness and validation while trying to give tough love for years and they still don't want to see what their addiction is doing. Guess God works with all of us differently. I often ask God "What are you wanting ME to learn out of all this?" I know I've learned a lot and have fixed a lot of things about me that maybe would have gone unlearned without his PA - but at times I just don't want to go around this mountain one more time; but realize I can't control that. I agree, there are two sides in a marriage and both sides need to become more holy, loving and mature.

It's awesome your husband is willing to read books, go to marriage retreats. You may say that's nothing amazing - but many of us wives would give a lot to have our husbands that vested in healing themselves and the relationship. In the several years (3-1/2 at NP), my husband has read one Carnes' book, started reading two books as a couple and then refused and gone to two counseling sessions and said he was healed. It's really hard to keep a good attitude when they are making no healing motions. But I realize, for me, that I add to the potentially natural frustration by reading the posts that I know are just going to be rants or self-pity.

I don't think you're being judgmental - I think you're just sorting things out and deciding how to proceed for your own health and healing and God's glory. Glad you could share that publicly on your journal. It gave me some stuff to think about, too.

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Re: Amazing Grace's SO Journal

Postby mayberry on Fri Jan 11, 2008 3:21 pm

Just stopping by to say hello. I understand, as I've shared before, the cycle of negativity my choosing to read certain threads can promote. For me, the "happiness" factor seems to improve the more I pay attention to examining my own life (journal & circle) and reading others' journals who are self-exploring/goal-setting. I suspect you will find the right balance in what supports you best here on the board, don't you? :) Wishing you well and holding you in my prayers. J
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Re: Amazing Grace's SO Journal

Postby AmazingGrace on Fri Jan 11, 2008 7:09 pm

There, finally. :) Responded in someone's journal in what may have been a helpful way.

Can I talk about someone else in my journal?
Don't know how helpful it would be to anyone (but myself, to work these feelings out), and I'm guessing that this person's friends might jump all over me, but I'm not posting in the "general" area, so here goes. I'm hurting for Megan11, but I'm even more distressed for her husband. Yes, he hurt her. No, I don't know their whole situation. But it seems like she'd already given up on him (emailing other men in a sexual manner, considering cheating on him, talking about leaving him, forcing him to sleep in the car) and it's so painful to see this now that he's finally starting a true recovery.

Maybe this is why I feel so helpless & frustrated on the board. I don't really know everything that's going on in people's lives, so I'm "judging" them based on their "tone" and the actions they report. And when a person has a consistently negative tone and reports erratic, unfaithful, and discouraging actions, I just don't know how to support them.

I've been personally discouraged lately, and the several hours I spent yesterday on the n-p board really contributed to an even deeper discouragement & depression last night. I think I'm really struggling right now because we're approaching 100 days. (Today is 96). I know my husband is serious about staying away from p, but there's just the "Now what?" factor with him finally reaching a big goal. Guess it also doesn't help that back when he was first aiming for 100 days, he asked what he got to do when he reached 100. Did he get a "free night" to look at all the p he wanted to? He was at day 38 (just shy of 40) when he jumped the gun on that and spent 2 1/2 hrs of his time on that junk again. Now it's been almost three times that long. On the one hand, it does seem like he's broken the "habit"--but if he's truly addicted (which it seems that he was, for his inability to control his usage when he first started recovery), that pull will not have gone away just because he's not currently acting out.

I just want this to be done.

The other day, it was "time" for us to connect intimately again. He wasn't working, J was at pre-school. And as I drove home from dropping J off, I started feeling ill, with abdominal cramps & nausea. Great timing. In some ways, with him recovering, I feel a sense of obligation to have s*x more often than I would naturally be inclined to. When I'm distracted, when I'm in a certain place hormonally, my libido isn't very strong. At other times, he has difficulty keeping up with me. . .

Love & Respect (which in my personal experience has transformed our marriage) suggests that just because one of us has a need that the other person doesn't have, that doesn't make us wrong, just different. Just because he doesn't need to spend an hour talking every day doesn't make me wrong, just different. Just because he would like to make love every two to four days doesn't make him wrong, just different. A question that I think is excellent asks: "Is it okay for your spouse to have a need that you don't have?" Yes, it's okay.

But the question is, what happens when the other person has a desire that I don't have? Do I attempt to meet his need (which I don't have) out of love & respect for him? Does he spend time sharing & listening to me if I need an emotional connection (even if he's perfectly happy to live in silence with me)? Do I spend time connecting with him physically when he needs that s*xual connection (even if I'm perfectly happy to live in a temporarily platonic place with him)? His recovery isn't my responsibility, but the longer it goes between physical connections, the more challenging it is for him to resist temptations.

So when I got home (having promised him a little together time after dropping J off), I tearfully told him I wasn't feeling well. I do want to support him in his recovery, but I also want to feel like I can say no without then having to feel responsible for his increased temptations. He responded very graciously to me, and after a hug & kiss, I headed upstairs to work on my business stuff.

I was answering emails when a Brandon Heath song came up on Itunes:

There’s an air everywhere
Of inconsideration and despair
I don’t consider you
And you don’t consider me
And it’s well understood
We don’t care

You know we don’t have to wait until the end of the night
Just to say that something’s wrong and maybe nobody’s right
We’re all victims in a battle
We never had to fight
It’s ok it’s alright
Steady now
we’re in this thing together

Suddenly my heart was filled with such love for my husband. We are in this thing together. Maybe there are times when he needs what I don't need, but I do love him and want to share myself with him in ways that make him feel comforted and loved. And since my sick feelings had passed, I decided I wanted to connect with him. So I did. :)
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My old recovery journal--http://tinyurl.com/2tnaja
My new recovery journal--http://tinyurl.com/3brwtn

Age: 36
Rel'p stats: together 17 years, married 13 years
DH's Most Recent Relapse: August 6, 2008
First D-day: April 6, 2007
SO recovery: more active than it's been in the past--RN workshop
My recovery: active-ish--RN workshop, posting & visiting here
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Re: Amazing Grace's SO Journal

Postby Hephzibah on Fri Jan 11, 2008 7:43 pm

AmazingGrace wrote:I've been personally discouraged lately, and the several hours I spent yesterday on the n-p board really contributed to an even deeper discouragement & depression last night.
I can relate. I've had to choose to cut back and be very cautious which titles I open. I opened a few locked threads today out of curiosity. We know curiosity killed the cat - well, it killed my SO sobriety and put me back in fear and pain. I'll need to go get grounded in God now (which isn't a bad thing, but would rather start my time with God from a good place then climbing out of a pity place).

I think I'm really struggling right now because we're approaching 100 days. (Today is 96). I know my husband is serious about staying away from p, but there's just the "Now what?" factor with him finally reaching a big goal.
For me, the not knowing is tougher then the knowing (even if I don't like it) and adjusting. Are you and him able to talk about that?

Guess it also doesn't help that back when he was first aiming for 100 days, he asked what he got to do when he reached 100. Did he get a "free night" to look at all the p he wanted to?
Does he still feel that would be an appropriate reward? Since that was back at the beginning, maybe he would feel abhorance if you recalled that statement to him.

I just want this to be done.
I can soooooo relate. I found this today while looking for something else and really liked the wording: Psalms 62:5 (MSG) "God, the one and only - I'll wait as long as he says. Everything I hope for comes from him, so why not?" (MSG)

Love & Respect (which in my personal experience has transformed our marriage) suggests that just because one of us has a need that the other person doesn't have, that doesn't make us wrong, just different. Just because he doesn't need to spend an hour talking every day doesn't make me wrong, just different. Just because he would like to make love every two to four days doesn't make him wrong, just different. A question that I think is excellent asks: "Is it okay for your spouse to have a need that you don't have?" Yes, it's okay.

But the question is, what happens when the other person has a desire that I don't have? Do I attempt to meet his need (which I don't have) out of love & respect for him? Does he spend time sharing & listening to me if I need an emotional connection (even if he's perfectly happy to live in silence with me)? Do I spend time connecting with him physically when he needs that s*xual connection (even if I'm perfectly happy to live in a temporarily platonic place with him)? His recovery isn't my responsibility, but the longer it goes between physical connections, the more challenging it is for him to resist temptations.
Thanks for sharing that. It really helped me look at some things in my marriage in a more positive light.

He responded very graciously to me, and after a hug & kiss, I headed upstairs to work on my business stuff.
It sounds like some really positive recovery is happening and he adapted with love and compassion. That's great.

Suddenly my heart was filled with such love for my husband. We are in this thing together. Maybe there are times when he needs what I don't need, but I do love him and want to share myself with him in ways that make him feel comforted and loved. And since my sick feelings had passed, I decided I wanted to connect with him. So I did. :)
Yay. I love happy endings. I find it interesting that had he got upset, ranted and raved and place blame - then you wouldn't have been open to hearing those lyrics and opening your heart to him. That's wonderful.

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Re: Amazing Grace's SO Journal

Postby Sunshine on Sun Jan 13, 2008 12:19 am

Hi Amazing-

Thank you for sharing your story. I also like happy endings. By the way, has your naturopath checked your free testosterone level? Even women need testosterone, and it increases your sexual desire. There are side effects if you take too much, but none if you take it in the proper range. As my Dr says, it awakens the sleepy messingers.

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Re: Amazing Grace's SO Journal

Postby mayberry on Wed Jan 16, 2008 3:11 pm

How are you doing? You're on my mind. J
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